OZ: Everyone asks is it legal? Dr. Sanjay Gupta CNN medical correspondent the chief one and reports on the latest research behind CBB.
OZ: Before we get started, for everybody I’d like take your thoughts on what it really is so people can get this into their heads.
SG: What you think about the cannabis plant marijuana, it’s called cannabis, it really has lots of different ingredients but two primary ones. One is THC, that’s the stuff that’s the recreational drug, it’s what gets people high, gives them that euphoria and their is CBD which is cannabidiol it’s something that doesn’t cause a psychoactive component, it’s believed to be a medicine, it’s been used as a medicine in decades past and it’s getting this resurgence as you just heard.
OZ: So just to be clear we’ve talked about medical marijuana in the past, this is not that right, CBD oil is being sold all over the place.
SG: You take the plant and you can pull out certain components of it so you’re, just put, in this case you’re pulling out the CBD component and you’re just using that and and therefore you’re not getting all those other effects that people often associate with marijuana.
OZ: Which is why I think 47 states so far have said it’s right we’re okay with it. How is the medical communityusing CBD oil?
SG: This is fascinating to me I mean if you would ask this question five years ago it would have basically been crickets nobody was really talking about it. Within the last five years you had a medication that was a sort of known colloquially as Charlotte’s , it was for this little girl, who had seizures that just could not be treated by all these different medicines she took, her mom essentially started taking CBD herself in her kitchen sink and giving it to her daughter, that was what was known as Charlotte’s Web within five years it’s gone from being that idea to now an FDA-approved drug in this country. That’s fast that’s never really happened that quick before.
OZ: The government has approved avert at one CBD oil for one indication.
SG: Yes, and this is from the plant this isn’t synthesized in some lab this is CBD that’s actually coming from the plant, from the botanical. So that that’s a big deal you actually now have something that’s been considered illegal at the federal level, also part of an FDA approved drug, that’s, that’s, that’s what we’re dealing with in this country.
OZ: Wrap your heads around this, this is part of this disconnect right the federal government says it’s not legal, 47 states say it is, kids with seizures are being treated.
SG: The FDA says yes we’ll approve it, but, but still at the federal level it’s illegal, what is starting to gain more traction I think really is what’s happening with opioids in this country, what they found Dr. Oz was that in several states that had approved CBD legislation, they saw their opioid prescriptions start to go down so that’s that’s an area the medical community is really, really focused on.
OZ: As a neurosurgeon, you’re good at this stuff explain to me how CBD actually affects the body.
SG: Well we have all these different receptors in our bodies to basically attract to have these these components activate, but because those receptors are everywhere in the body, you could get an impact just about anywhere.
OZ: Lets show this to everybody, because I’ve made a little model to demonstrate what Sanjay is saying. CBD produces so many effects throughout the body based the fact it can bind to receptors in so many of our different organs, right places as far away as the intestinal tract and your arm and your spinal column if up up into your brain and that’s why people say it helps them alleviate pain, right, maybe help with seizures, it’s a pretty serious problem for a lot of folks. Anxiety, pretty common problem that we don’t want to treat if we don’t have to, even withdrawal for medications maybe the even the opiates as Sanjay mentioned but think about that people think you could do some way things because of the CBD oil that is in there is touching so many parts of our body and I love your thought, that we evolved in a species because we had access to these natural plants and they understandably can affect us.
SG: That’s right and we in the receptor started to evolve in our body as well we even started making our own form of CBD in our body but sometimes it’s not enough just like other things aren’t enough in our body and that’s why some people seem to get benefit.
OZ: So the question then becomes do they work. They’re products of CBD oil which again you saw the theoretical argument you just made but these products are popping up everywhere and some of these are everyday items that you can buy, I haven’t bunch in front of them again we don’t sell anything in this space, but their samples or supplements they’re gummies, their muscles soothing creams, there are even products for your pets as you saw from the Mars report. So when you look at this Sanjay and you realize as a clinician how complicated CBD could be. How do you decide which of these might work.
SG: Well you know, you know and essentially I’ll tell you this I think in part from a physician’s perspective, first of all I think that there’s a ligitimate medicine in here. I think we’re talking about something that could actually really help people, and I worry a little bit when you start to see products like this, but it could minimize the importance of what CBD could do for people because I don’t know what these products are, I don’t know what’s in them I don’t know how much of anything is in them I don’t know if they would actually do anything I mean this is CBD shampoo if I could get shampoo like Dr. Oz’s if I use it, but you know.
OZ: I covet your hair.
SG: I’m not sure though I would have a hard time if somebody came to me and said, hey should I take the CBD product as much reporting as I’ve done on it, I still have a hard time, you know saying that’s a good idea.
OZ: The FDA is in charge, in fact it’s charged by our nation, to tell us the answer to that question, what’s safe what’s not, where are they with all these things?
SG: So this is an illegal substance at the national level.
SG: Illegal. At the same time, as we talked about earlier the FDA has said you know what we think there’s enough of a benefit here that we’re willing to approve a drug specifically for epilepsy that’s based on CBD.
OZ: And part of what reason I wanted to cover this topic is you can buy these products anywhere really, you can go down the store and yeah 47 out of 50 states buy it online pretty much anywhere you want and the government’s not gonna come and kick the door down. So whatever they say in the you know at the highest levels we’re still not actually doing anything to stop people from using these, which is a concern to me because it’s the wild wild west. It’s completely unregulated.
SG: That’s right.
OZ: So if it does have all the potential that we’re talking about today I want to understand what could be in your best interest see with CBD oil, so up next we’re gonna continue our investigation how much CBD is actually in these products and can it really work for you, we have the test results and they might surprise you.
OZ: I’m back with Dr. Sanjay Gupta investigating the CBD oil boom, it’s now way 1 billion with a big billion dollar industry and CBD sales are expected to grow 700 percent the next two years. I mean that’s shocking, proponents say CBD can be used to treat everything from anxiety, chronic pain, to epileptic seizures even cancer. Products like these ones in front of us here they’re widely available stores and online, but you get what you’re paying for, so where’s research you know I talk about so much but whenever I get called by some I learn what’s the actual data that shows that is works and you can’t find that much.
SG: It’s very hard to find the data I think on epilepsy seizures particularly ones that have not been treatable by existing medications there’s pretty good data that’s why the FDA approved the drug. But just about any of those other things you mentioned the anxiety, the sleep, even pain, the CBD only research is pretty limited. Let me say though, part of that doesn’t you shouldn’t immediately say well it doesn’t work because of that, part of it is that the research is hard to do, if you have a substance that is illegal at the federal level, how do you get research done on it it’s very hard to get people to actually invest in that research, that’s part of the problem here.
OZ: And rarely have I been called by as many people saying it’s helped them. These are folks you don’t have a vested interest so it makes me really curious and as a visitor I feel frustrated that we haven’t done more help them out.
SG: Absolutely, no absolutely, no I mean we need we need to get that research done absolutely.
OZ: So let me introduce you to Dr. Todd Cooper Mays founder of ConsumerLab.com. They do all the work so that you don’t have to, and have tested the most popular CBD products on the market. Well first of all you have a lot of things you could be testing, why’d you decide to look at CBD oil.
TCM: As you were saying CBD has become super popular so the readers of ConsumerLab have been asking us really what’s in these products, because you know as you mentioned since it’s illegal, if a product actually says CBD and the amount on it, the FDA will go after them calling it an unapproved drug.
OZ: Alright let’s break it down we have all the data here I’m fascinated to see what you got. First we wanted to actually figure out how much CBD is in the CBD oil product. So how much consistency was there.
TCM: We found over a 10 fold difference between products.
TCM: Yeah, as little as two milligrams to up to 22 milligrams in a suggested serving.
OZ: So some of them had this much. Some of them had that much. It’s stunning to me, are you surprised by this?
SG: I’m I’m pretty surprised I think the the idea that you have no idea what you’re getting if you’re getting it at all I mean that’s that’s not even a real probable dose, if you need hundreds of milligrams for to do anything. Two milligrams I could gonna do anything and yet people are paying a lot of money for it.
OZ: What about the cost?
TCM: Yes, so on the cost we found that the price for a ten milligram dose ranged from as little as 80 cents to up to four dollars and fifty cents for the same amount of CBD, so again if you know what to look for you can get it for a lot less than than the four fifty.
OZ: How come the ten times difference in price? Is it different CBD?
TCM: You know it’s really, it’s the amount of CBD. It’s is same amount it’s ten milligrams of CBD in each product some can have a little bit of CBDa, which is kind of a precursor, but that’s really fair amount of same amount of CBD.
OZ: And what about this issue of toxins, contaminants, heavy metals.
TCM: Right, well good news, none of the nine products that we tested and these were products for people and animals taken orally as pills or liquids, none of them had any heavy metal contamination, none of them had any any significant amount of THC.
OZ: so when you look at all these products you find that they’re adequately labeled?
TCM: No, no, I mean very few products are actually labeled appropriately, in terms of the amount of CBD, most you won’t know and when you look at the labels they often won’t say the amount of CBD so they’ll use other terms like hemp extract that typically means they are extracting some some CBD from from the plant you’re getting some, if it says just hemp oil you’re getting none, hemp oil has no CBD in it, they will often put it in hemp oil, and so you’ll have hemp extract with hemp oil, it’s kind of confusing.
OZ: Folks if you don’t understand something these days is because they don’t want you to understand it. It’s not an accident. Which is a problem because I really deep my heart agree with Sanjay that there’s a medicinal benefit this stuff has been around since the dawn of humanity and I don’t appreciate the fact that we can’t even figure out the basic rules that give you advice with. So give me your bottom line here. CBD oils, what would you do right now if you had a problem that one of the ones we listed.
SG: I think that other than the things that have actually been tested you really provide better off saving your money. I think ultimately we’re gonna we’re gonna get more information about this it’s gonna have to happen there’s too much sort of anecdotal evidence of how this might work, right now you’re not even sure if you’re getting CBD, how much you’re getting of it, in these cases the products were safe but sometimes they may be contaminated heavy metals people say regulation, a bad thing I think when it comes to this it’s probably a good thing. because if there’s regulation, it’s gonna force these these these people who are making these products to list it, to stand by it, and to make sure that they’re safe.
OZ: And it rewards the good guys, people who are making high quality products will benefit I think, and have those scoundrels pushed out. Here’s my thought they could work, I’m hearing from too many of you right now that they’re getting benefits, but their problem with how we access is what you ought to do talk to your doctor about it, get them to sit down for a second, help them think, because they’ll help you, they understand this stuff it they’ll figure out which of these CBD oils might make sense for you, there are some reputable companies I suspect that are beginning to get into the medical community, but we’ve got to make this happen and it’s not going to happen from someone else doing it for you, you got to step up in your own life and do the investigation for more information on CBD products, we’ll do our best you go to our website, and guess what for the next 24 hours you can get the consumer labs complete report for free there so check it out, spread it with your friends.
As a leader in quality, integrity and customer service in the CBD industry, the Plenty Pharma team is excited to see that prominent medical professionals such as Dr. Oz and Dr. Gupta are informing and educating on the incredible benefits of CBD, but still warning consumers about the fact that the market is currently unregulated.